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I am concerned with idealizing animism too far and hence being tempted by the "noble savage" myth. Pre-modern people certainly did their share of clear cutting, running herds of animals off of cliffs, and early shifts from hunting to farming is arguably on of *the* biggest impacts on the ecosystem. Meanwhile, the "green revolution" aided by modern scientific conceptions of nature actually allowed us to produce more food with much less land use. I am less and less convinced that that ancient people were any more environmentally minded than we were, so much as limited in the effects they could cause at the time.

Even the idea of children being connected to nature until suppressed by civilization comes to us from the modernist continental Enlightenment philosophy of Rosseau - who was reacting to industrialization (and its much greater effects on the land) rather than ascertaining some long lost mindset. Plus animism being associated with childhood can be seen as patronizing to ancient cultures, and was used as such. Maybe some 'social prejudices' are beneficial?

Phenomenologically, it makes sense for us to frame the interactions between phenomena as a story with agents. Yet my conscious mind seems to be of a different caliber than the mind of a cow, and plants that react to sunlight and rain don't seem to involve brains like either the man or the cow...meanwhile a rock does nothing apparently agentic. Hence I am also wary about a nebulous concept of "consciousness" that does not seem to apply evenly across objects and creatures. I cannot be sure I am not projecting my own mind onto other things with their own minds or lack thereof, that deserve to be understood on their own terms as much as mine.

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Amy's avatar

Wonderful comments to read. My humble comment is simple. To rise in the dark, go outside and greet the four directions and give thanks for the devas and spirit beings of the land is my gift from my land. I then made my first listen of this day your instructive essay. It has brought me much joy in existence. Yes, I am an idealist and it has served me well. Thanks for this gift of this day.

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